July Vfacts. Ford 3rd again

[Bossxr8]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/969672/...on-the-brakes/


Other highlights: Ford finished third in the new-car sales race for the second month in a row. The last time Ford finished third prior to this latest burst was in 2012.

[jpd80]

Utes:
Hilux………..4610 (4x4: 3790 4x2: 860)
Ranger………4064 (4x4: 3685 4x2: 381)
D-Max…..….2427 (4x4: 1795. 4x2: 632)

4,000 odd from Ranger backing up 5,000 last month is a good effort
but shows there was a pull forward of some sales…..

[Syndrome]

The bigger story is the continual increase of Chinese made cars. MG + GWM + LVD = 6,526 sales.

"Sales of new cars made in China have overtaken those from the US since August 2020, and have also overtaken vehicles from Germany since January 2021."

Chinese made cars were also more appealing than hybrids or electric vehicle sales as they outsold both of these categories.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

The bigger story is the continual increase of Chinese made cars. MG + GWM + LVD = 6,526 sales.

"Sales of new cars made in China have overtaken those from the US since August 2020, and have also overtaken vehicles from Germany since January 2021."

Chinese made cars were also more appealing than hybrids or electric vehicle sales as they outsold both of these categories.

Your win is based on the absence of Tesla sales which have been averaging between 1,000 - 1,200 per month…

None of those Chinese brands individually are making much of a splash….

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by jpd80

None of those Chinese brands individually are making much of a splash….

Chinese brand MG continues to surge up the sales charts, finishing in the Top 10 for the fifth time in seven months – with one of its cars finishing inside the Top 10 vehicle rankings for the first time.
Honda’s July 2021 figure ranked it behind Chinese brand LDV.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Chinese brand MG continues to surge up the sales charts, finishing in the Top 10 for the fifth time in seven months – with one of its cars finishing inside the Top 10 vehicle rankings for the first time.
Honda’s July 2021 figure ranked it behind Chinese brand LDV.

A bit of perspective, MGZ is 1,786 sales, LDV is 1,202 sales - hardly worth getting in a lather over.

Honda is on a downward slide, only themselves to blame…

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

A bit of perspective, MGZ is 1,786 sales, LDV is 1,202 sales - hardly worth getting in a lather over.

Honda is on a downward slide, only themselves to blame…

Honda was on a downward slide with a **** range when I started out in the automotive industry 11 years ago - they just tried to emulate Toyota by turning their back on all their innovation and decided to try their hand at making white goods.

The Honda dealership I started my apprenticeship at closed down this year, how the mighty have fallen, gone from the busiest service department of any Honda dealership in the country at the time to dead business.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Your win is based on the absence of Tesla sales which have been averaging between 1,000 - 1,200 per month…

None of those Chinese brands individually are making much of a splash….

How many of those Tesla's are Chinese Built..?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by hayseed

How many of those Tesla's are Chinese Built..?

Not to go off topic but they only switched in 2021 and that was only for Model 3. Model S and Y were still US made in 2021 though with the update, we won't see a new S/X till late 2022.

jpd80 was correct in what he said about 2020 numbers and some 2021 numbers as well.

On Topic, great result for Ford but they're holding onto 3rd by a thread. They need to get their supply issues sorted.

And anyone paying out Chinese cars is being unfair. People can't all afford the best or even average. And to be fair, the MG's are a lot of kit, well made for a very reasonable price tag. Political tensions aside, there is no reason not to buy them and if thats all you can afford, then who am I to judge them. People who can afford to buy otherwise still don't so I won't judge those that don't have an option.

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport – 0
Ford Endura – 0
Ford Escape – 20
Ford Everest – 772
Ford Fiesta – 39
Ford Focus – 29
Ford Mondeo – 0
Ford Mustang – 142
Ford Puma – 203
Ford Ranger 4X2 – 381
Ford Ranger 4X4 – 3683
Ford Transit Bus – 13
Ford Transit Custom – 243
Ford Transit Heavy – 44
Ford Total – 5569

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by kypez

Not to go off topic but they only switched in 2021 and that was only for Model 3. Model S and Y were still US made in 2021 though with the update, we won't see a new S/X till late 2022.

jpd80 was correct in what he said about 2020 numbers and some 2021 numbers as well.

On Topic, great result for Ford but they're holding onto 3rd by a thread. They need to get their supply issues sorted.

And anyone paying out Chinese cars is being unfair. People can't all afford the best or even average. And to be fair, the MG's are a lot of kit, well made for a very reasonable price tag. Political tensions aside, there is no reason not to buy them and if thats all you can afford, then who am I to judge them. People who can afford to buy otherwise still don't so I won't judge those that don't have an option.

Ford left the cheaper market in the hunt for margin...in doing so they have effectively relegated themselves to never be #1..perhaps that doesn't matter anymore.

When they were selling heaps of Falcons funnily enough it did....

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by jpd80;

Your win is based on the absence of Tesla sales which have been averaging between 1,000 - 1,200 per month…

None of those Chinese brands individually are making much of a splash….

What are you smoking???

From the article:

Sales of electric cars continue to surge (up 273 per cent, with 515 examples reported as sold, not including Tesla as it does not supply figures).

Add your estimated 1,200 Tesla sales per month = 1,715 sales of EVs.

Hybrid market from the article

regular hybrids remain the dominant force in electrified vehicle sales (with 5152 reported). plug-in hybrid vehicles continue to climb (146 per cent, with 325 examples reported as sold).

This makes the total hybrid market =5,477

The 6,526 Chinese made vehicles:

MG = 3,313 (versus 1,115 last year) - much more than Tesla
GWM = 2,011 (versus 505 last year) - more then Tesla
LDV = 1,202 (versus 722 last year) - probably more than Tesla

None of those Chinese brands individually are making much of a splash….

Nearly ALL of them are outselling Tesla estimated sales number. And this has come on a huge increase in the last 12 months.

What this data shows is despite all the media spin, people are choosing cheap cars rather than environmentally conscious cars.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

What this data shows is despite all the media spin, people are choosing cheap cars rather than environmentally conscious cars.

What? It shows that more people can afford cheap cars than a car that is almost 3 times the cost. Its got nothing to do with being environmentally conscious or otherwise. Your statement only works if they were the same price or similarly priced.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by kypez

What? It shows that more people can afford cheap cars than a car that is almost 3 times the cost. Its got nothing to do with being environmentally conscious or otherwise.

Another substance abuser???

MG ZS EV Essence $42,990 brand new drive away price. Cheapest EV in Australia.

Where are these fuel powered vehicles for $15,000?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

The bigger story is the continual increase of Chinese made cars. MG + GWM + LVD = 6,526 sales.

"Sales of new cars made in China have overtaken those from the US since August 2020, and have also overtaken vehicles from Germany since January 2021."

Chinese made cars were also more appealing than hybrids or electric vehicle sales as they outsold both of these categories.

Shameful.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Shameful.

Yes, it sure is. It just shows how the Aussies complaining about "Made in China" are just spewing bovine faeces.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Shameful.

Your Parents/Grandparents probably said the same thing about Japanese Vehicles in the 60-70's...

Just a Thought.

[bathurst77]

Why shameful? who are you to judge

90% of your home and office electronics and parts are now made in china and a lot of industrial hardware is too.
Chinese goods of 2020s ae not the same as the throw away rubbish of 1990. Their cars are rapidly catching up.

In the 60s japanese car were shameful junk.. Now, they make some of the best in the world. Maybe not the hypercar fastest, but t.he best to own and drive daily family commute

In the 1980s sth korean cars were a joke now hyundai and especially kia are making some very good cars (Carnival, stinger) and their suburban city cars and suvs are a very good buy too, unless your a sneering badge snob - hey its your money
Now thee chinese are rapidly catching up, they have changed from making ip stealing cut price copies of european and jjapanese car that would fall apart to making reasonable affordable cars good enough for commuter suburban get around starter car or 2nd family car

Not every one cares that my car is 0.1 second faster 0-100 or can corner at 100kph with mild oversteer. i dont care if it cant do over 150 where yours does 190. im only allowed to do 110. Not everyone cares if the neighbours will go wow hes doing well.

most people just want to get to work, do the shopping, run the kids about and maybe go away once or twice aa year. And they want a car that will do it safely, affordably comfortably and reliably.
As long as it keeps up in traffic, can sit on motorway at 110 and can get up the hills with no trouble its good enough. And in 2021 chinese cars are good enough for many|

I will spend my money on other things. I can always bank the savings and save to buy a nice old xb 351 to do up for sunny sundays

[jpd80]

Honda is now lost in a sea of simply better competition, their once loyal customer base has well and truly
moved on. Not meaning to completely dismiss Chinese sales, I just see the figures as a bit distorted when
so many other brands are currently stifled by poor supply, Chinese sales are growing but still not as much
as folks think. Tenth position on sales ladder just means that MGZ is on a long tail of comparatively low
sales spread out amongst many brands.

Another good sales month for Everest, imagine sales with new body and V6 diesel.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Honda is now lost in a sea of simply better competition, their once loyal customer base has well and truly
moved on. Not meaning to completely dismiss Chinese sales, I just see the figures as a bit distorted when
so many other brands are currently stifled by poor supply, Chinese sales are growing but still not as much
as folks think. Tenth position on sales ladder just means that MGZ is on a long tail of comparatively low
sales spread out amongst many brands.

Another good sales month for Everest, imagine sales with new body and V6 diesel.

For the Chinese Sales thing, I think your bang on.. I saw a report that there was a ship with 4000 odd MG's on it that arrived and Chinese car co's are making there own semiconducors. It seems MG and the like are one of the few that don't seem to be having stock issues at the moment, unlike everyone else, which helps with numbers. Not to mention, if you needed a new car, and didnt care too much about being a brand snob, but could get an MG Tomorrow, versus a 6 month wait for the equivelant Hyundai/Kia/etc what would you do?

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

So the same engine they were using in the Civic when I was a first year apprentice 11 years ago

I wonder if the CRV is still using the K series 4 cylinder that appeared in the late 1990s.

The last good car Honda sold was the 2nd generation Accord Euro.

Thankfully the K Series that was in the CRV (K24) is no more. When the current CRV was released 4-5 years ago the very base one got the 2 litre N/A and the rest got a 1.5 Turbo 4 cyl.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

For the Chinese Sales thing, I think your bang on.. I saw a report that there was a ship with 4000 odd MG's on it that arrived and Chinese car co's are making there own semiconducors. It seems MG and the like are one of the few that don't seem to be having stock issues at the moment, unlike everyone else, which helps with numbers. Not to mention, if you needed a new car, and didnt care too much about being a brand snob, but could get an MG Tomorrow, versus a 6 month wait for the equivelant Hyundai/Kia/etc what would you do?

Correct and much in the same vein as Japan Inc looking after its own brands first.
Anytime an article uses 400% increase of sales per month instead of say, 1,200/mth
you can see the screaming narrative for what it is, much about nothing.

[ford5061]

Also you need to realise when buying Chinese is that the resale will be lower and last year I was at the panel beaters getting my mux repaired after an accident and it took less than 2 weeks and when chatting to the owner we got talking about how much work he had on and he showed me all the great wall cars sitting there they could not finish as they couldn't get the parts.

[kevino]

What are the reasons Ford cant source Focus, Escape and Puma.
Almost all of its sales are Thai built Ranger-Everest vehicles.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by kevino

What are the reasons Ford cant source Focus, Escape and Puma.
Almost all of its sales are Thai built Ranger-Everest vehicles.

Supply. They're focusing on other markets with whatever stock they have

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[Syndrome]

Australian market has close to 1 million new vehicles sold every year. With a population of 25 million that shows a lot of people have the means to purchase a new vehicle.

Anyway we are digressing. What I am commenting upon is the seismic change occurring in the Australian new vehicle market. And it is not the EVs causing this change. Like the Japanese in the 1970s and the South Koreans in the 1990s, the Chinese have finally arrived and it will change the local market.

[Poetic Justice]

A lot of other manufacturers are trying to move away from the 'retail discounted cars' philosophy and moving to a more profitable per vehicle system.

Mazda did it first.
Toyota have been doing it slowly.
Hyundai has done it starting with the 2016 i30 (PD)
Ford have done it

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

A lot of other manufacturers are trying to move away from the 'retail discounted cars' philosophy and moving to a more profitable per vehicle system.

Mazda did it first.
Toyota have been doing it slowly.
Hyundai has done it starting with the 2016 i30 (PD)
Ford have done it

Its interesting, because if you dont have it 100% spot on you are left high and dry with expensive cars no one wants to buy.

At least with a cheapy you keep some traffic/revenue and potentially people upgrading when they come in?

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Its interesting, because if you dont have it 100% spot on you are left high and dry with expensive cars no one wants to buy.

At least with a cheapy you keep some traffic/revenue and potentially people upgrading when they come in?

Possibly but Hyundai's numbers have continued to grow despite this.. I mean, it's probably got a fair bit to do with their product improving immensely but they have gotten away with some pretty serious price increases over the past 4 years.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

Possibly but Hyundai's numbers have continued to grow despite this.. I mean, it's probably got a fair bit to do with their product improving immensely but they have gotten away with some pretty serious price increases over the past 4 years.

Yeap suck them in, add a little more and bump margin. Sounds like the Japanese and what the Chinese will do one day, simple business model I guess.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Why shameful? who are you to judge

90% of your home and office electronics and parts are now made in china and a lot of industrial hardware is too.
Chinese goods of 2020s ae not the same as the throw away rubbish of 1990. Their cars are rapidly catching up.

In the 60s japanese car were shameful junk.. Now, they make some of the best in the world. Maybe not the hypercar fastest, but t.he best to own and drive daily family commute

In the 1980s sth korean cars were a joke now hyundai and especially kia are making some very good cars (Carnival, stinger) and their suburban city cars and suvs are a very good buy too, unless your a sneering badge snob - hey its your money
Now thee chinese are rapidly catching up, they have changed from making ip stealing cut price copies of european and jjapanese car that would fall apart to making reasonable affordable cars good enough for commuter suburban get around starter car or 2nd family car

If you're cool with sending business to a communist regime that hates us, bullies us, and is actively trying to screw us, then yeah, go for it.

I on the other hand have some nationalistic pride.

The Japanese made good and became our friends. We should never forget they atrocities they committed though.